Gov. Scott Walker’s empire is beginning to crumble from within. Republican legislators are starting to stand up for their constituents despite threats from party leaders.

Sen. Luther Olsen, R-Ripon, is questioning the proposed voucher expansion because it takes more from public education and comes after the largest cuts to education in the history of Wisconsin. He’s also speaking out against Walker’s refusal to accept federal funding to expand Medicaid, indicating it’s stupid to leave money on the table. He said if it doesn’t work out, the legislature can change its stance later. He’s right.

State Senate President Mike Ellis, R-Neenah, is also speaking out against planned voucher expansion. He even had the courage to suggest an increase of $400 million in funding for public schools and (gasp) a small property tax increase to help pay for it. During a Feb. 25, 2011, interview on Fox Cities radio station WHBY; he hinted that he disapproved of Walker’s sneakiness. When asked if he knew that the removal of almost all collective bargaining rights was included in Walker’s original budget bill, he said, “No.” When asked if he had been blindsided by it, he said “Yeah” — evidence that Walker didn’t even warn the leaders of the senate.

Ellis was also upset by the order to sign a secrecy pledge regarding his party’s plans for redistricting. He told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel on Feb. 6, 2012, that he “had never before been asked to sign a confidentiality agreement during his four decades in office.” That’s probably because Wisconsin has never had such a devious governor.

I’ve been told by several sources that Republican legislators are under a tremendous amount of pressure to tow the line. If they don’t, the party will put all its money and clout behind other candidates, ones who will do as they’re ordered without question.

With that threat over their heads, it’s rare for Republican legislators to break from the pack. That wasn’t an issue for Republican Dick Spanbauer, a man who doesn’t believe in hiding information from the public, or favoring campaign contributors over the welfare of citizens. In 2012, after four years in the assembly representing the 53rd district, he decided not to run for re-election, and wasn’t afraid to explain his reasons during a December 2012 interview with Scene Newspaper.

He recalled a Democratic bill he had favored because it would benefit consumers. Assembly Speaker Jeff Fitzgerald, R-Horicon, called him into his office and told him the leadership didn’t like the bill. Spanbauer told him it would help a lot of people. Fitzgerald replied, “No, that bill’s going to cost the insurance company money.”

Spanbauer told him, “You know Fitz; I didn’t come here for the insurance company.” Fitzgerald shot back, “Dick, you have to remember one thing, the insurance companies give us a lot of money at campaign time.”

But, his main disappointment was with Scott Walker. Spanbauer initially liked and campaigned rigorously for him, but Walker’s lack of integrity soon became apparent. On the night before his budget bill was presented, Walker told party members he was going to eliminate collective bargaining. Spanbauer was shocked. He wasn’t upset about union members paying more for their benefits, but he didn’t want their voices silenced, and he said so.

Walker then called him into his office and said, “‘Dick, I’m going to tell you something, I will not cut their wages, I will not cut their benefits, and we’ll get rid of the furlough days.’ He lied to me,” said Spanbauer, “I’ll never forget that. He lied to me and I trusted that guy. He did fool with the benefits and he did fool with the wages. He lied.” Spanbauer concluded that if Walker had told the truth about his plans during the campaign he never would have been elected.

That the Republican Party wreaks vengeance on anyone who dares to vote for the interests of their constituents is starkly evident. It recently announced it will support Rep. Howard Marklein (R-Spring Green) in the August 2014 primary against Sen. Dale Schultz, who has honestly represented the people since 1983. Schultz voted over 98 percent of the time with his fellow Republicans, but had the courage to buck his party and vote against removal of collecting bargaining rights. He also voted against the mining bill because it eliminated environmental and citizen protections.

When a politician is punished for voting his conscience and showing integrity, it’s time for drastic change. Our chance will come on Election Day.

Editor's Note: An earlier version of this column was corrected to accurately reflect the party leader with whom Dick Spanbauer held a conversation about a consumer protection bill.

- Pat Nash has worked as a freelance writer, farmer, human resource manager, customer service supervisor and educator. Originally from Ohio, Pat has lived in the Baraboo area off and on for more than 30 years. Contact Pat at patnash5149@gmail.com

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Honestly
Honestly

Why wait for Election Day. Let's do another recall. I know, I know it is not in the WI constitution but that hasn't stopped Obama.

strikeforce
strikeforce

send walker to benghazi for a fundraiser.

darkenskies
darkenskies

Strikalinsky, your comment is disgusting and shows your disregard for our dedicated four that were murdered by Muslims. Pathetic you are.

strikeforce
strikeforce

i don't see the connection. does any one else out their ?

Reverend Al
Reverend Al

Poor Strikefarce. Perhaps we should take up a collection for a service monkey to explain things to him.

strikeforce
strikeforce

hey professor,don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining.

Zinnvisible
Zinnvisible

Walker did just set up shop in China...

Reverend Al
Reverend Al

The source of the mysterious booms in the Baraboo area have been revealed. They undoubtedly come from the master bathroom at Pat Nash's residence, as the universe -wide web of deceit wrought by Emperor Scott Walker has been revealed to her. Seriously, is she paid to produce this drivel? Is she channeling Obama when he claims he has no knowledge of attempts to silence witnesses to the Benghazi murders, and insists that the Boston marathon bombers were acting on their own?

strikeforce
strikeforce

yeah that is what glenn beck has been claiming.

Reverend Al
Reverend Al

Elucidate, please, Curly. What has Glenn Beck to do with this?

strikeforce
strikeforce

he has been burping out false rumors about benghazi the past 2 weeks in between his phoney crying spells. it has been improving his ratings on BLAZE.

Zinnvisible
Zinnvisible

According to the official records at the LFB (Legislative Fiscal Bureau), Wisconsin's debt has increased by over $1.4 billion Since Scot-Tea took office after he took out $558 million in loans in 2011/12 and deferred all loan payments to future years for future governors to deal with. (Pssst... Scot-Tea's asking for another $2.1 billion in loans right now) We also dropped from the top 15 in job creation to the bottom.

strikeforce
strikeforce

wisconsin lost 6500 jobs last month.

you better source your facts i hear guy climbing up his basement stairs now.

darkenskies
darkenskies

Heard two cheese factories closed in Wisconsin. If the East and West coast population would stop purchasing the many expensive cheese products from France and Italy, those factories might not have closed. Then again, why didn't these factories change their recipes to produce cheeses to serve with the different wines.

strikeforce
strikeforce

i wouldn't know dark. the only wine i can afford is boones farm.

Kringle161
Kringle161

Still MUCH better performance than the national economy....the real unemployment remains almost 15%, we're also no longer 3 BILLION in debt!

strikeforce
strikeforce

way to skew the numbers specialk.

strikeforce
strikeforce

please stick around. i am surrounded by teabaggers here.

Reverend Al
Reverend Al

No, that's just Larry and Moe, your fellow liberals.

strikeforce
strikeforce

hello....hello....h--e--l--l--o. HELLO

Zinnvisible
Zinnvisible

I'm not sure it's worth trying to convince them of anything; you could give them their most trusted sources and they'd still think the exact same way like parrots. But it's probably worth posting sourced facts so when other people peruse through they have an opportunity to see what's real and what's FOX-ed.

guy
guy

@Zinnvisible I could say the same thing about you. You just rant about the left-wing talking points. You repeat the same old crap. You don't want to discuss issues. You just want to hear yourself talk. It makes you feel smart. Instead of looking for ways to resolve problems you prefer to focus on placing blame. You can't expect to change the way people think unless you are willing to listen to them and try to understand why the believe what the do.

Bill Irwin
Bill Irwin

They have their heads so buried that their ears are plugged.

Zinnvisible
Zinnvisible

Yes, you CAN say the same thing about me, Guy, it just wouldn't be true. I'd debate you on anything, but facts are neither right nor left wing as you've been taught to believe. I can back up what I've said. There's a difference between a "talking point" and a fact. Hopefully someday you'll understand that. Thanks! :)

Zinnvisible
Zinnvisible

Ironically, the people in the original Tea Party threw the tea overboard as a protest against the Government giving corporate tax breaks, and in support of "We the People...". Today's Tea-Baggers are against "We the people..." in favor of corporations. Modern day redcoats if you will...

Reverend Al
Reverend Al

Nonsense, Z. It was a protest against a tax the British levied against tea brought into the colonies. Remember the expression "no taxation without representation?'

strikeforce
strikeforce

hello professor. who was the government back then ? it was king george.are you saying king george did not give tax breaks to the wealthy elites back then ?

Zinnvisible
Zinnvisible

Try again, weird Al. Britain raised the tax on the colonies to offset a tax cut to the East India Tea Company... You know, old school wealth redistribution form the middle class to the top, just like BU$H and Reagan (Reagan raised taxes 13 times, BTW)Oh! Here it is! " In 1767, to help the East India Company compete with smuggled Dutch tea, Parliament passed the Indemnity Act, which lowered the tax on tea consumed in Great Britain, and gave the East India Company a refund of the 25% duty on tea that was re-exported to the colonies.[12] To help offset this loss of government revenue, Parliament also passed the Townshend Revenue Act of 1767, which levied new taxes, including one on tea, in the colonies."

Zinnvisible
Zinnvisible

Here it is, AL: "The protest movement that culminated with the Boston Tea Party was not a dispute about high taxes. The price of legally imported tea was actually reduced by the Tea Act of 1773. Protesters were instead concerned with a variety of other issues...
Colonial merchants, some of them smugglers, played a significant role in the protests. Because the Tea Act made legally imported tea cheaper, it threatened to put smugglers of Dutch tea out of business.[44] Legitimate tea importers who had not been named as consignees by the East India Company were also threatened with financial ruin by the Tea Act.[45] Another major concern for merchants was that the Tea Act gave the East India Company a monopoly on the tea trade, and it was feared that this government-created monopoly might be extended in the future to include other goods."

grodave
grodave

I wonder what parts of this a person would consider drivel ? Or maybe I should be asking just what is drivel. It is pretty well know that Luther Olsen and Mike Ellis are not happy with Walker's voucher proposals among other things. It helps to understand who said what if you watch for the quotation marks. This author does a fine job of using them in this article. For example Fitzgerald replied, “No, that bill’s going to cost the insurance company money.”

Spanbauer told him, “You know Fitz; I didn’t come here for the insurance company.” Fitzgerald shot back, “Dick, you have to remember one thing, the insurance companies give us a lot of money at campaign time.”
No drivel there, it's in quotes.
Walker then called him into his office and said, “‘Dick, I’m going to tell you something, I will not cut their wages, I will not cut their benefits, and we’ll get rid of the furlough days.’ He lied to me,” said Spanbauer, “I’ll never forget that. He lied to me and I trusted that guy."

Reverend Al
Reverend Al

Grodave, drivel, according to Websters' New World Dictionary, is "silly, stupid talk." Or writing. Putting drivel in quotation marks does not make it less silly. Furthermore, putting quotation marks around a statement does not make it true, and does not prove that the person to whom the remark it attributed actually made the remark.
Example.
According to Dick Cheney, "Barack H. Obama is the best, most moderate President
the United States has ever had."
Or, Chicago Mayor Rahm Emmanuel says, "Barack Obama and I did not belong to
Men's Country Bath House on Chicago's near north side because we are gay. We just liked the steam bath."

strikeforce
strikeforce

or how about this one professor--- "the rookie cops in chicago fresh out of college did not bash in the heads of teenage kids camped out in grant park during the 1968 convention. they were just merely escorting them to a better campground when the 400 kids accidentily tripped over the curb and cracked their skulls open."

Reverend Al
Reverend Al

I admit to administering a few 'wooden shampoos' to some of those punks.
They had it coming, and if I had the chance I'd have done more. You had to be there, but then you were wetting your pants in some suburb, so I don't expect you to understand.

strikeforce
strikeforce

yeah those punks who had it coming where the ones who got shipped off to vietnam so that fairys like you could troll the streets of chicago looking for some easy money.

Reverend Al
Reverend Al

I've always suspected you were a homophobe, Curly.
But, seriously, those punks at the Democratic convention in 1968 did not go to Vietnam. They were mostly on student deferments, and the ones who weren't fled to Canada. The kids who went to Vietnam were the working class kids who had parents that worked in factories. You better read those history books a little closer if you think the snots throwing bags of dog poop at the police went to Vietnam.

strikeforce
strikeforce

yeah whatever professor.it was us working class kids who came home from nam who put the hurt on the man back home.we pushed those rich spoiled brats out of the way and showed them how to get it done.

thanks to guys like you the protesters today would not be hurling bags of doggy doo at the boys in blue but instead would be emptying 30 round clips at the blue line.

guy
guy

Strikeforce said " the ones who got shipped off to vietnam so that fairys like you could troll the streets of chicago"

The left constantly claims that those on the right are intolerant, racist, anti-gay, etc. Yet in the past few weeks Strikeforce has use the terms "gooks", "retarded kid", "limey" and now "fairy". Not one of the "tolerant" left-wingers on this forum have called him out. Or is it only offensive if it's done by the right? Another example of all too common left-wing hypocrisy.

guy
guy

Strikeforce said "it was us working class kids who came home from nam who put the hurt on the man back home.we pushed those rich spoiled brats out of the way and showed them how to get it done."

Maybe in your imagination. In real life, when most of us came back we went to work for the "rich spoiled brats". Everybody couldn't go to Vietnam. Life didn't end in the States. We needed young men at home to take care of this country too. I did what I needed to do and they did what they needed to do. I don't resent those who stayed behind. My friends who stayed in Madison and participated in much of the protesting told me that it wasn't so much about the war as it was about the party.

strikeforce
strikeforce

did you ever hear of the "winter soldiers" ?

Bill Irwin
Bill Irwin

How about Reverend Al stated: "I use the fake name Reverend Al to hide behind and spit, because I am afraid to actually stand up behind my words. I, Reverend Al, am neither a Reverend, or a Preacher, but I like to play one, because I am really the devil. I lie, I use rascist terms, I repeat garbage that I hear because I am an uninformed fool. I am a Teabagger who doesn't understand how the Government operates, who doesn't understand how the Senate works, or how the government is designed with 3 branches that oversee each other."

Reverend Al
Reverend Al

Hope you had a towel handy to wipe the spittle off your keyboard after that rant.
You made my point, which was that putting something in quotation marks does not make it true, accurate, or prove that the person to whom it is attributed actually said it. Thank you. Feel better now?

Reverend Al
Reverend Al

You must spend a lot of time obssessing over Beck. Aside from your lines, I haven't seen or heard about him in months.

Reverend Al
Reverend Al

Your angrier-than-usual reponse to my posting about drivel surprised me, Bill.
Could it have been because I made a reference to Obama's life-style and club membership before he decided to run for the US Senate?

strikeforce
strikeforce

hey,bill long time no see. i need a breather here for awhile. thanks for manning the ramparts brother.

Bill Irwin
Bill Irwin

No, 'al', even though you never actually stated this, it is the truth. I guess I should have included that you were an abusive member of the National Guard...

darkenskies
darkenskies

Wisconsin has always been known not the best business climate. Big cities and warm climates attract.

Remember people, all states are spending millions and some billion every year on Mexicans and other immigrants. Welfare systems attractive. You have heard about Massachusetts, and if not, you need to change your TV channel and change your website sources. Good radio station to listen on your computer, go to www.KSFO.com. You will learn the cold, hard facts. People are disgusted to learn bombers family used the welfare system.

I was in a post office last week, saw forms for "Extension of Visa". Never saw forms advertising visas in a public place before.

Liberal spending destroying our country. "Fundamentally transform America".... you know who said that. Taking place in front of your face. Liberal - progressive - socialist - Marxist - equals communism. Take your blinders off.

Bill Irwin
Bill Irwin

Liberal Spending destroying the Country?

'Dark', you are fool and a liar...
Republicans are responsible for over 2/3 of our deficit.
What a fool...
You use poor sources for garbage, you repeat what you hear on Rush and are a Glen Beck fanatic.
You believe in conspiracy theories, in lies about the cost of Presidential travel, and spew the garbage you swallow whole.
How sad a life you lead...

Reverend Al
Reverend Al

Well, well, Bill Irwin returns from La La Land to spit insults like snake venom and call names. Apparently he hasen't used his hiatus to improve his manners or his knowledge.

Bill Irwin
Bill Irwin

If you will notice, 'al', I was replying in the same way that you did...
But my reply was based in truth, yours wasn't.

guy
guy

Why does it seem that on this forum the ones who know the most about what Rush and Glenn Beck say are the ones who discount them and accuse others of listening to them. I don't remember anybody quoting from them at anytime. Maybe it's just something else for the left-wingers to rant about.

strikeforce
strikeforce

dark quotes the blaze.com on a regular basis. but i wouldn't expect you to complain about dark.birds of a feather flock together.

Zinnvisible
Zinnvisible

Why does it seem that those who know the least about Government are those who believe Rush Limbo and Glenn Beck?

strikeforce
strikeforce

i don't know.

Bill Irwin
Bill Irwin

Because if you want to actually become informed, you understand that you should listen to all viewpoints, then do your own research using verifiable sources, and then form opinions that can be backed with facts..

Zinnvisible
Zinnvisible

Reaganomics quintupled the debt in 11 years (Psst! He had a Republican majority in Congress for 6 of those 8 years) from $902 billion in 1980 to $4.5 trillion by 1992 (BTW, Reagan also raised taxes 13 times). Clinton paid off $600 billion of the debt, but the interest after Reagan ran up the debt was now $250 billion to $300 billion a year, so debt went up to $5.7 trillion under Clinton BECAUSE of Reagan's massive spending problems. Bush then doubled the debt to over $12 trillion by the end of his last fiscal year, 2009. As we now know, failed Bush policies and programs are still the primary drivers of todays large deficits and debt.

Reagan deregulated monopoly laws so that large multi-National corporations started buying up smaller mom and pop businesses, laid people off, and shipped jobs to 3rd world countries. We lost 3 million manufacturing jobs from 1980 to 1992. Bush doubled down on both deregulation (we lost 5.7 million manufacturing jobs), and wealth redistribution to the top

Thinkforonce
Thinkforonce

Yes, Walker lacks integrity, but over 50% voted him to finish his term. He is for his billionaire buddies or crooked appointees and not shy about showing it. He said he will create 250,000 new jobs and has millions in his campaign fund. He has cut education funding on all levels. He has let the strip miners in. He has two more Novembers. He can do more damage or can really turn the state in the right direction. The people will decide if they want to see his face for another four years.

Walker is not a liberal spender or a job creator at this point.

darkenskies
darkenskies

Barack "HUSSEIN" Obama is a big-time liberal spender and definitely not a job creator at this point of five years in office.

Where is that Chairperson of the President’s Council on Jobs and Competitiveness, Jeffrey Immelt? He is not doing his job either.

Remember, "What difference does it make", per Hilliary, Feb 2013 - Benghazi.
Remember, "That happened long ago", per Jay, May 1, 2013 - Benghazi.
What difference does it make? Four dead people, that is the difference.
Surviving witnesses want to come forward, but guess who is trying to stop it?
Oh, I forgot......you didn't get to hear that watching your alphabet news or
reading your Politico and MoveOn.org

We have so many issues twisting and turning in the air at this time. O and his ilk is trying to make it difficult to keep track of his creeping destruction of this country, especially to those low informed voters.

Some of you need to update your news sources.

Zinnvisible
Zinnvisible

According to Rupert Murdoch's Wall Street Journal (Obama spending binge never happened), and other economic think tanks, Barack Obama is the most fiscally conservative president we've had since Eisenhower. Today's massive debt and deficits are still driven by BU$H policies and mistakes that Congress never paid for. But that's reality, a foreign word in the Republican dictionary these days...

darkenskies
darkenskies

Today's title........"Nash column: Walker lacks integrity"

Go back to August 9, 2012 column that Pat Nash wrote.....
The words she wrote, "slit the throats". What do we call that?

darkenskies
darkenskies

Start those $180,000 engines, I have to go to Mexico.........also do couple rounds of golf with the Mexican President Peña Nieto.......

http://news.yahoo.com/obama-pitch-immigration-overhaul-mexico-070337307.html

Below the article, read the comments from around the country......they tell it like it is.

Apparently, O. doesn't like teleconferencing, which would save taxpayers money!

darkenskies
darkenskies

Adding the 2012 Mexico trip documents...........

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2318419/Documents-Obama-administration-paid-2-5-MILLION-hotel-rooms-rental-cars-2012-G-20-meeting-Mexico.html

Liberals could care less the lavish spending by this O. Apparently, liberals can't do math.

bluffsinview
bluffsinview

Tactical diversion. Take an article on Scott Walker and Republicans and turn it to Obama attacks based on right-wing propaganda. No defense of Walker, I see. Because there is none available. Same old Benghazi remarks, and no mention of the attacks during Republican administrations or any blame associated with them. No mention of the two unfunded wars under Republicans that cost, and continue to cost, a trillion dollars while the rich got yet more tax breaks and loopholes that reduce the revenue coming in to pay for those wars. No mention that Obama is one of the most moderate presidents under whom the rich got richer. So much for the socialist accusations - they are based on NOT ONE fact. Gotta love how the right-wingers' minds can ignore an entire set of facts isn't it? Ah well, they're known for that.

darkenskies
darkenskies

Most people agree with Governor Walker and the cost savings he has done for the state. Some of us don't have time to write a daily book about a governor that is doing a good job! As for mining, I disagree, but don't need to write a book!

O is destroying America. We know the facts is difficult for some of you to comprehend. It is easier to keep eyes closed than face cold, hard facts!

Zinnvisible
Zinnvisible

Why don't you send a few emails to Wisconsin's Legislative Fiscal Bureau and ask for the annual CAFR reports? They show Wisconsin's ACTUAL DEBT w/o the accounting gimmicks Walker is using to create a "surplus" that in reality (there's that Republican swear word again!) never existed. Look at the outstanding Debt figures, which shows our actual debt w/o accounting gimmicks. Wisconsin was $14.2 billion in debt as of 12-12-2012. That's a $1.3 billion increase in debt since the day before Walker's budget went into effect on 7-1-2011.

strikeforce
strikeforce

wisconsin lost 6500 factory jobs last month darkkk.ask them about the "cost savings".

your doing a helluva job scotty,i mean brownie.

strikeforce
strikeforce

obama governs like a moderate republican would have 30 years ago.

guy
guy

Bluffsinview said " they are based on NOT ONE fact. Gotta love how the right-wingers' minds can ignore an entire set of facts isn't it? Ah well, they're known for that."

Look who's talking. During your entire rant you didn't provide one fact as usual. You routinely refuse to back up your comments with fact and then you accuse others of doing that. All you do is spout left-wing talking points. You aren't able or willing to defend or discuss your remarks. Ah, well, you're known for that.

strikeforce
strikeforce

guy,your wrong,your wrong again.

fact # 1 is darkkk will comment on michelle obama buying a new dress when the article was about circus world for example. he does it all the time.the things bluff talks about used to be the moderate center years ago . but now to you rightys it is considered xtreme.

i know you got this thingy about dark-doc-and honeyboy because you never question their information.and you are supposed to be an independent ? nice try mr. repug.

guy
guy

Strikeforce said "act # 1 is darkkk will comment on michelle obama buying a new dress when the article was about circus world for example"

I have no idea how this comment has anything to do with anything I said.

And he said "i know you got this thingy about dark-doc-and honeyboy because you never question their information"

I don't very often disagree with Honestly and I'm not interested in dark or Doc's conspiracy theories so I don't try to discuss them. They both give sources for their information so if I wanted to debate them I could see how the came to their beliefs. Bluffsinview and Thinkforonce almost never offer a source They're hit and run posters. They spout off the left-wing talking points and run away. They don't want to discuss the issues. You on the other hand don't have any sources, I think you mostly just make stuff up.

darkenskies
darkenskies

Geez, now good old Harry announcing that more funds are needed to stop the train wreck of Obumacare.....now this is a fact.

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/297333-reid-says-more-funding-is-needed-to-prevent-healthcare-law-from-becoming-a-train-wreck

Bleeding this country is the motto of this administration.

Check out price tag: www.usdebtclock.org
Question I keep asking of the thinking liberals and yet to get an answer. Who is going to pay off this debt?
China is in waiting!

Zinnvisible
Zinnvisible

"I mean, shouldn't poor, starving kids, old folks and people in ill health pay off the debt that was created by the banks?" Why not be accurate, Dorkinskies?

The wealthy CHOOSE to underpay their employees and in doing so they increase their own taxes. then they whine like babies "Only WE pay taxes!" But it was their choice to pay their employees so little that the employees have low federal taxes (The bottom 20% pays a rate 2x higher for state and local taxes-as national averages, and 20 times higher in FICA taxes than the top 1%) millions of FULL TIME workers are paid so little that they STILL qualify for welfare-rental/heating assistance or food stamps, etc. this welfare, in essence, is corporate welfare because it replaces what a normal full time wage should be.

strikeforce
strikeforce

welcome to the forum mr.zinn. my friends call me the eagle.

Reverend Al
Reverend Al

Everyone else calls you Strikeface, the Curly stooge.

strikeforce
strikeforce

honey,get my can of raid !

guy
guy

Who do you think should decide how much a particular job is worth? Should it be determined by how much the employee needs to support the life style he chooses or by what the job is worth to the employer or how much the job is worth on the open market? If you are hiring someone to paint your house do you pay the first painter what he wants to earn or do you get other bids to see if you could get it at a lower cost?
Doesn't the lowering of the requirements for welfare programs and Social Security Disability by the government require increased taxes to support them?

strikeforce
strikeforce

the requirements aren't being lowered, the programs are just being flooded with jobless people due to all the jobs being sent overseas.

shouldn't employees be able to negotiate with their employer for a better wage, just as the employer negotiates with vendors to get the best price for his raw materials ? the employer bargains collectively with other companies to get a better price for their materials , why can't workers bargain collectively for their product(that being their labor) ? instead of an individual worker going to the boss and asking for a raise or an safety improvement to their work area.

what's good for the goose is good for the gander right ?

darkenskies
darkenskies

Wages also have gone down due to influx of south da bor dur.

guy
guy

Strikeforce said "shouldn't employees be able to negotiate with their employer for a better wage, just as the employer negotiates with vendors to get the best price for his raw materials ?"

Of course they should be able to negotiate. Nobody said they shouldn't. You're arguing with yourself again. Zinnvisible was ranting about the employers paying low wages so they could get rich. I asked him who should decide how much a job is worth. To determine that you have to have negotiations. Apparently Zinnvisible thinks he should be able to decide what a job is worth and tell the employer what to pay. He's wrong.

strikeforce
strikeforce

how do you negotiate if you have no power or leverage behind you ? that is the whole meaning behind labor unions and collective bargaining my friend.

guy
guy

Strikeforce said "how do you negotiate if you have no power or leverage behind you ? that is the whole meaning behind labor unions and collective bargaining my friend"

You're arguing with yourself again. I didn't say anything about labor unions. Some people want or need them to negotiate for them, Some don't. I have never needed anybody to negotiate wages for me. If I didn't think the job paid enough I didn't take it. When I was in a position to hire people and they didn't accept the job because it paid too little I had to increase the wage to get someone to do the job. That doesn't mean someone from the outside should decide if I'm underpaid or not like Zinnvisible thinks he can do.

strikeforce
strikeforce

that is not how the real world is guy. for 1 person to go up against a corporation and all the power and tools they have at their disposal and try to negotiate a fair salary is the height of folly.
'say you don't get what you feel you deserve.and the boss says take it or leave it.
people with familys and roots in the community can't just pack up and go somewhere else to get what they think they are worth.
unions consist of individual union members.united we bargain,divided we beg.their are no outsiders that tell us what to bargain for.we as a union decide that ourselves.

guy
guy

Strikeforce said "that is not how the real world is guy. for 1 person to go up against a corporation and all the power and tools they have at their disposal and try to negotiate a fair salary is the height of folly."

Why do you keep arguing about unions? Zinnvisible mad a comment about employers paying low wages. I asked him who should determine what a job is worth. He didn't answer but you started spouting off about unions. I said some people needed them to negotiate and some didn't. You're the only one talking about unions and they have nothing to do with the comments I made. You really need to read the posts you are trying to comment about.

guy
guy

strikeforce said " for 1 person to go up against a corporation and all the power and tools they have at their disposal and try to negotiate a fair salary is the height of folly."

People do it all the time. I've done it all my life. I've never had a union negotiate for me. If the company and I couldn't agree on wages I didn't take the job.If they wanted what I had to offer they needed to make an offer I could accept.

And he said "people with familys and roots in the community can't just pack up and go somewhere else to get what they think they are worth."

Of course the can. They do it all the time. That's the smart thing to do. If you can't make a living where you are you go to a place you can. An employer shouldn't have to raise your wage just because you don't want to move.

strikeforce
strikeforce

you are probably the exception to the rule.

wishful thinking guy but not real world.

strikeforce
strikeforce

the decrease in hourly wages is in direct corelation to the downfall of unions.

i read what mr.zinn said.

guy
guy

Stsrikeforce said "the decrease in hourly wages is in direct corelation to the downfall of unions."

That's not true.

And he said "you are probably the exception to the rule.'

No I,m not. Their are a lot more non-union workers than there are union workers. You keep taking but you still can't back up anything you say.

darkenskies
darkenskies

Zinnvisible posted: "Why not be accurate, Dorkinskies?" Not too good of a start calling people names!

strikeforce
strikeforce

but it's o.k. to call obama and his family names. i see how it works around here.

bluffsinview
bluffsinview

You're the premium name-caller, Dark. It really sounds immature.

strikeforce
strikeforce

obama is paying down the debt as we speak.get your head out of your arse and read legitimate news.

darkenskies
darkenskies

Strikalinsky, prove it.

Check the debt clock. Hasn't stopped adding: www.usdebtclock.org

Reverend Al
Reverend Al

No, he's just borrowing slightly less than before the tax increase that took effect on Jan 1.

Zinnvisible
Zinnvisible

Wisconsin's lack of job growth since Walker's budget went into effect on 7-1-2011: http://host.madison.com/walker-job-growth/image_e40c95c0-b1b4-11e2-93a3-001a4bcf887a.html

Zinnvisible
Zinnvisible

Whoop! here it is! Wisconsin's long term "Outstanding Debt" for June 30, 2011 ($12.9 billion) & June 30 2012 ($13.5 billion) -Table 8, page 34: from the official records: ftp://doaftp1380.wi.gov/doadocs/2012%20CAFR_Linked.pdf

And the latest long term "Outstanding Debt" as of December 15, 2012 ($14.2 billion) - Table 10 on Page 19: http://legis.wisconsin.gov/lfb/publications/Informational-Papers/Documents/2013/78_State%20Level%20Debt%20Issuance.pdf

Scot-Tea has increased Wisconsin's debt by at least $1.3 billion since his budget went into effect... in reality. that doesn't include the 100s of millions n lost revenue to to corporate tax breaks and job losses or slow job growth under Scot-Tea Walker.

bluffsinview
bluffsinview

Actual facts do not impress the right-wingers, so you're wasting your letters trying to convince them of what most educated people (those who don't rely on either far left or far right propaganda) know is true. There is nothing that will convince them unless Glenn Beck, Rush, or the puppets on Fox tell them it's true.

Zinnvisible
Zinnvisible

A sad state of affairs for sure. It's like dealing with rebellious 5th graders...

darkenskies
darkenskies

Panting, rantings, and name calling all of a sudden popped up, wonder if related!!!

darkenskies
darkenskies

Bill Irwin, how about cleaning up the cesspool of L.A., or I should say California, instead of throwing around your insults, trying to look like a big-shot in the nice state of Wisconsin. You could do good in San Francisco also, especially your rantings on those liberals that want to run around naked in public.

Hippie-Dip Gov. Brown will be signing the bill to allow non-citizens to serve jury duty. California needs the panting and rantings, maybe the state will wake up to reality, instead of walking around singing "Kum ba yah".

Take along the other!

strikeforce
strikeforce

california has a 2 billion $ budget surplus this year. give us more jerry baby.

darkenskies
darkenskies

Strikalinsky, you are incorrect.

Zinnvisible
Zinnvisible

It is interesting to note that Darthskies can't reply to the base facts: Walker's increasing Wisconsin's debt by at least #1.3 billion, and the massive drop in job creation since Walker's budget went into effect.

In a way, Darth's non-reply answers the questions: Why does a Walker need a Koch-cane?

darkenskies
darkenskies

Wisconsin is noted as not a good business climate; big cities and warm climate attracts.

Now, if all those Russians in the Dells would be sent back, the American unemployed area residence would have a chance to work, even if part-time, it still is a job.

Why does O need a Soro-cane?

Why does O need Organizing for Action? A first in presidency.

Bill Irwin
Bill Irwin

'dark' is a tin hat fool, who believes in conspiracy theories.
Hint: An educated populace attracts businesses. It has been shown previously that the actions that Walker has done to attract businesses doesn't work.

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strikeforce
strikeforce

professor i can walk you thru and show you were i read it if you like.

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Reverend Al
Reverend Al

No doubt you read it. Doesn't make it true. Figures don't lie but liars figure.
If you believe California has its' financial house in order, you need a reality check.

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Bill Irwin
Bill Irwin

Perhaps you should look in your own backyard. The WI budget has not improved under Walker, but if you look at his handpicked data, it looks like it has. I choose to look at real statistics rather than look at what Walker's Administration wants to tell you.
Yes, CA has a surplus due to increased taxes, that citizens voted for, to improve our budget issues, that Arnold Schwarzenegger did nothing to address.

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guy
guy

Bill Irwin said "if you look at his handpicked data, it looks like it has. I choose to look at real statistics "

My handpicked data is better than your handpicked data. Nyah-nyah

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bluffsinview
bluffsinview

It's been widely reported that CA has budget surplus. Except on Fox, that is, or Limbaugh. It's what they don't tell you that makes you so uninformed.

darkenskies
darkenskies

Organizing for Action - created by O........

http://www.whitehousedossier.com/2013/01/18/obama-create-mass-organization-devoted-obama/

Hmmmm! Wonder if there is a list of names involved!

strikeforce
strikeforce

i joined up last month.

darkenskies
darkenskies

So did I.

strikeforce
strikeforce

good.

Honestly
Honestly

@ Zinviable. I saw the same article written by Rex Nutting of Marketplace that claims that Obama has spent less then Eisenhower.

I guess it all comes down to what and who you want to believe. If you are liberal, as I assume you are, then you'll just fawn over Nutting's article.

If you are of a conservative nature you can read the Heritage Foundation's rebuttal to Nutting's claims and feel better about Ryan's budget.

Until Obama seriously addresses entitlement reforms we will not see much improvement on a bi-partisan legislation for a budget.

darkenskies
darkenskies

Read the same article by Rex Nutting. Can't be true; U.S. Debt Clock figures keep adding. Five years and never saw subtracting figures. Also, other good sources show Nutting off base.

Today, seven young soldiers were killed in Afghanistan. Every month bodies are being brought home. Why are we there? To protect those nice poppy fields or is it those "on the run" Taliban that O mentioned a week after Benghazi.

strikeforce
strikeforce

heritage foundation is the home of the chickenhawk neocons who told us they were 100% right that their were weapons of mass destruction in iraq back in 2003.
no thanks , i will lean towards the wall street article as more factual.

hey honeyboy, did you see that video of that gunnut getting out of his car with his ak47 and letting loose 37 rounds in a few seconds at the cop car behind him ? i wish that would have been you in the squad car.

Honestly
Honestly

Heritage Foundation repeated what Colin Powell reported to the United Nations. You do remember that don't you strikefarce?

Have ridden in many squad cars with officer friends both during the night shifts and the day time. Scariest thing I had happen was when a drunk in Poynette was heading straight for our squad at 2 AM. Never was shot at, sorry to disappoint.

You need to up your Zoloft dose. I can also suggest taking Trazodone to help you sleep better.

Zinnvisible
Zinnvisible

... and Colin Powell repeated the pack of lies at the UN that the Bush administration gave him. Which is worse: Lying to start an unnecessary war, or lying about legal sex? George Tenet admitted under oath that he was coerced to lie to Congress and Powell about the "intel" the Bush administration gave him in support of war during the Congressional investigation in September 2006. The Bush administration set up its own office in the Pentagon to create this intelligence-The OSP run by a variety of war hawks: Doug Feith, Schulsky, Abrams, Etal. The OSP, with a direct connection to Cheney's office, created the lies to go to war and bypassed every other US intelligence agency. What they did was actually treason against the nation. Likewise when McNamara lied to LBJ to escalate the Vietnam war...

strikeforce
strikeforce

the heritage boys already knew well in advance what powell was ordered to say at the u.n.. powell is a soldier,you do as your told.

who told you i am on zoloft ? have i been outed ? the doc says 100mg is plenty enough.

hey i got a new one for you. a excon got busted today in his trailer which was full of pipe bombs and m-coctails in minnesota.and yes they found a ak-47 ready to rock-n-roll in the living room. early reports are saying he bought it a gunshow(cash only no questions asked).

Zinnvisible
Zinnvisible

Honestly, thanks for the reply. It's much more obvious than what you or heritage would state. COngress has refused to pay for the Bush spending programs and mistakes until this very day preferring to blame it all on "entitlements" when in fact Social Security is no entitlement the way the word is being used by the current GOP. Further, the stimulus package should rightly be attributed to the previous administration as well, since it occurred as a direct result of the recession: There would've been a stimulus package no matter who became President in 2008, and it likely would've been larger if McCain would've won since Republicans have no problem spending when one of their guys are in control RE: Reagan and Bush.
Federal regulators saw the crisis coming and proposed a new set of rules in 2005, but the Bush administration and the Republican majority in the house blocked the new rules, never allowing them up for a vote, and hence let the crisis occur.

Honestly
Honestly

Zininviable. As my serves me it was Bush who tried to rein in Freddie and Fannie but it was good old Blarney who said that those loan institutions were solvent. Do you remember that? It was actually Clinton who started the low income housing program not Bush, but you may be to young to remember.

Can you give me a references of Colin Powell saying that he was asked to lie about WMD's? If my memory serves me correctly it was Clinton who first said that Iraq had WMD's. Every intelligence agency in the world also said that Iraq had WMD's but no matter, the MSM had a republican to blame.

strikeforce
strikeforce

honeyboy, almost everybody saw powell at the u.n. with mr.slamdunk himself sitting behind him. powell thought he was telling the truth but the guys who told him that b.s. knew that it was a bunch of lies.

think out of the box for once in your life will ya. hussein "used" to have w.m.d.'s but he had them all dissassembled by 2003.when clinton was c.i.c. he still did have chemical weapons.

Bill Irwin
Bill Irwin

Just how many of these bad loans did Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae fund? 3%?
Just how are Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac doing right now?
They are both making quite large profits...

Zinnvisible
Zinnvisible

The idea that the BU$H administration or the Republican majority in congress ever listened to barney frank is pure horseshit. Why you even suggest that? Either way, Barney Franks comments came 4 years before the crisis hit. Barney Frank also had no control over the Republican majority, also headed by a Republican, that had to vote on what they would present to the house.

Maybe you'll believe FOX, who also posted the story about how Bush administration blocked the Republican majority from even bringing the rules up for debate? FOX conveniently edits out the direct comment that's in the full story showing that the White House forced the committee to gut the bill in the AP article, but enough is there so maybe you will understand: Bush Administration Ignored Warnings of Pending Financial Meltdown

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,460044,00.html#ixzz2Sii7EAcj

Zinnvisible
Zinnvisible

It's also fair to point out that paying off ALL of the failed subprime and CRA loans would've cost $57 billion when the crisis peaked in November 2008. We gave the banks $4.5 trillion, mostly in back door bailouts. In short, the failed "low-income" home loans cost about 1/2 of 1% of the bank bailout.

You might ask, "How could this be? MSM told us the low income borrowers were to blame!" It's always easy to blame the poor since they have no media outlets to fight back with. In other words, you can successfully shift blame by using the "Big Lie" theory. It worked: Millions of people still blame the low income home borrowers for the crisis when that is obviously a total farce.

darkenskies
darkenskies

Chris Dodd and spitty Barney set it up regulations for banks to hand out low income loans and banks were ordered to do so. You can twist and turn the information all you want.

Nobody blamed the low income for taking advantage ot another entitlement program.

Zinnvisible
Zinnvisible

Where does one start? It was Bush who pushed for lowered restrictions on the loans because he wanted an "ownership" society. The idea that Barney Frank and Chris Dodd "strong-armed" a Republican majority and Bush is pretty hilarious, BTW. The Banks were never ever "forced" to make these loans, which, BTW again, failed at nearly the same rate as regular loans. So you spewed forth 3 absurd lies immediately and insisted that any factual reply was "spin."

But missing from your WHOLE argument is the fact that paying off ALL of the failed low income loans cost a grand total of $57 billion, which is 1/2 of 1% of the total bank failure. Are you willfully ignorant or just a tape recording?

Repeatedly, the MSM blamed the low income loans, which in reality were 1/2 of 1% of the problem when the clear problem is what the BANKS did with those loans, in fact all failed loans. They falsely gave them SAFE ratings and sold derivatives/insurance on them in a pyramid scheme. The BANKS did this,

strikeforce
strikeforce

yowzza , their is a new player in town. watch all the swamprats run for darkness.

darkenskies
darkenskies

NBC caught again.........

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2013/05/04/NBC-News-Again-Caught-Selectively-Editing


Bill Irwin
Bill Irwin

Breitbart as a source?
Really?
I put garbage in the trash can, 'dark' swallows it whole...

darkenskies
darkenskies

Bill Irwin, bet you don't pant, rant, do insulting remarks in the L.A. newspaper(s) or the S.F. Chronicle. You can try to twist the facts all you want, but facts always remain.

You try to push your twisted lies onto small town people. Well, it is not working. You are wasting your time, and "excessive" energy. Work on the state of California; definitely CA cesspool will keep you busy!

Don't think for one minute, that some of us can't get insulting; we are being nice to you!

Reverend Al
Reverend Al

Typical liberal sleight-of-hand. Irwin can't prove Brietbart sources wrong, so he dismisses them out of hand, as not being worthy of answering. You are pretty transparent, Bill.

strikeforce
strikeforce

brietbart has been proven wrong several times professor. making stuff up , fabricating, half-truths to suit their agenda,twisting of facts to influence opinion.

it is all out thier professor if you dare to look.

guy
guy

Strikeforce said "brietbart has been proven wrong several times professor. making stuff up , fabricating, half-truths to suit their agenda,twisting of facts to influence opinion"

Give us some examples. Don't just give us "I read it in the news" or "it's common knowledge" Give us some actual examples and facts to back it up.

strikeforce
strikeforce

i work a full day (10 hours). i am not retired with all the time in the world on my hands. i read it and then i remember it. when you asked for proof on the koch brothers i showed you where to go. try that again. or go to wikipedia.

guy
guy

Strikeforce said "i work a full day (10 hours). i am not retired with all the time in the world on my hands. i read it and then i remember it"

So you have time to post some lame comment on every post on this forum, you have time to call people liars, naive, moron and tell them how wrong they are, but you just can't manage to find enough time to verify your comments before you start shooting off you mouth. You get more pitiful everyday.

Zinnvisible
Zinnvisible

More food for thought: Legacy of Bush Policies Continue to Drive Large Deficits

"Federal deficits and debt have been sharply higher under President Obama, but the evidence continues to show that the Great Recession, President Bush’s tax cuts, and the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq explain most of the deficits that have occurred on Obama’s watch... "

http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=3849

Honestly
Honestly

@ strikefarce. Please tell me your reference for your assertion that Hussein had WMD's dismantled by 2003. We all want to know because this would be ground breaking news.

strikeforce
strikeforce

well hello, did bush find any w.m.d.'s after march 16th,2003 ?

he gassed the kurds up north in 88.

it is common knowledge he had chemical weapons. so after all the u.n. inspections and disarmament teams worked him over after desert storm they were destroyed or " dismantled".

Reverend Al
Reverend Al

Or, moved to Iran and Syria. Learn some geography Curly.

strikeforce
strikeforce

eagle know geography professor,just like he knows all the back alleys in chicago.

bluffsinview
bluffsinview

Using Breitbart as a source is like using Rush Limbaugh. Pretty laughable to anyone with a high school diploma. Strike and Zinn...you're wasting your time trying to present facts to Dark and the others. They aren't capable of understanding them,and if they were, they're so brainwashed by their right-wing propaganda that they'd never believe them anyway. It's really sad when someone over the age of 30 is so resistant to truth and who refuses to use their intelligence to assess information that's readily available. I guess they're just terrified to find out and admit they've been wrong.

guy
guy

Bluffsinview said "you're wasting your time trying to present facts to Dark and the others. They aren't capable of understanding them"

How would you know? You never present any facts. Just because you say something doesn't make it a fact. You are brain-washed by your left-wing propaganda. It is sad when someone over the age of 30 is so resistant to truth and who refuses to use their intelligence to assess information that's readily available. You should try it. Or are you terrified to find out and admit your wrong?

darkenskies
darkenskies

Since you think you are so intelligent on the political world, provide your sources of information. You have been asked month(s) ago, and still haven't provided.

All you do is attack, try to intimidate; tactics out of the book "Rules for Radicals". Keep wasting your time and energy bluffsinview!

Reverend Al
Reverend Al

Well, Bluffs, as a wise man once said, "If you're not a liberal at 20, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative at 30, you have no brain." You dismiss Limbaugh and others on the right simply because their views differ from those of Chris Matthews, James Carville, and the limo liberals on ABC, CBS, NBC, and NPR. You are the very definition of the brainwashed, braindead person you accuse those on the Right of being, and are too close-minded to see it.

strikeforce
strikeforce

not even close professor.

darkenskies
darkenskies

Bluffsinview, explain to the public why your O has created this "Organizing for Action" organization? Sounds like something military! Does he plan to run for 3rd term after he takes away all our guns? Under the radar, word is, he is trying! barack "HUSSEIN' obama.....liberal-progressive-socialist-Marxist=Communist dictator.

Take the blinders off people. Open your eyes and face the cold, hard facts. Do some deep research, it is there. The creeping destruction is in our face.

bluffsinview
bluffsinview

Hey Dark, try Googling Obama and socialist. You may learn that he's probably the furthest right of any recent Democratic president. He's about on the same level as Reagan, who was against military style weapons, by the way, and believed the rich should pay more in taxes. Did you call Reagan a commie? The actual socialists are angry with Obama because he isn't one. Try looking up the definitions of socialism and Marxism. And the ridiculous accusations about Benghazi - how loud did you protest when Bush and Cheney lied about WMDs in Iraq, which led to the war, and which lead to 4,500 of our soldiers being killed because of it. Oh, and it cost the taxpayers trillions, and we'll be paying for the injured soldiers for many years to come. Where's your outrage about that?

strikeforce
strikeforce

you are probably right.

darkenskies
darkenskies

Why would Kent State allow this terrorist Bill Ayers to speak. People seem to forget four policemen were also murdered by this group. It is a shame that Ayers was allowed to be a professor.

http://www.ohio.com/news/bill-ayers-defends-weather-underground-bombings-1.395109

strikeforce
strikeforce

the u.n. let nelson mandela speak at the u.n.. menechim begin spoke to the congress of america.they killed alot more people than roger ayers.

the cops killed 4 children at kent state in 1970.

your not the forgiving kind ?

drpavlov
drpavlov

darkenskies said:
" Why would Kent State allow this terrorist Bill Ayers to speak".
For the same reason he never served prison time for his involvement in a variety of bombings. He advances the ruling elites agenda, so, he's off limits as far as being prosecuted for crimes. This isn't rocket science.

Also, his relationship to Chairman Maobama gives him privileges not afforded the average
person.
Join Obama's army of scumbags and become a person of privilege.

Zinnvisible
Zinnvisible

Just a friendly reminder that Scot-Tea has increased Wisconsin's debt by at least $1.3 billion since his budget went into effect... in reality. that doesn't include the 100s of millions in lost revenue to corporate tax breaks and job losses or slow job growth under Scot-Tea Walker.

Wisconsin's long term "Outstanding Debt" for June 30, 2011 ($12.9 billion) & June 30 2012 ($13.5 billion) -Table 8, page 34: from the official records: ftp://doaftp1380.wi.gov/doadocs/2012%20CAFR_Linked.pdf

And the latest long term "Outstanding Debt" as of December 15, 2012 ($14.2 billion) - Table 10 on Page 19: http://legis.wisconsin.gov/lfb/publications/Informational-Papers/Documents/2013/78_State%20Level%20Debt%20Issuance.pdf

Thinkforonce
Thinkforonce

A year and a half until his election. We must give Scott his full four years. As long as voting rights stay the same in Wisconsin, and we get a 73% turnout, it will be interesting. By then his education policy might have some results too. I like that Elizabeth Warren is trying to get student loans down to the rate banks get.

Zinnvisible
Zinnvisible

Right. The schools were living off of federal funds from the stimulus package, which have dried up now. So we will see larger drops in quality for education in the near future. What scares me are the 2 guys in a strip mall in Minnesota that control the voting machines in 40 + counties. The sole programmer is the mother in law of one of the guys-fired from her last job for refusing to take an annual ethics test.

Kringle161
Kringle161

I'll be very happy when Gov Walker is reelected in the next election cycle.

Zinnvisible
Zinnvisible

Interesting. So you're FOR Walker's $1.3 billion increase in Wisconsin's debt, which means you'll have higher taxes once a more responsible person becomes Governor again? And you're FOR dropping 32 spots in job creation from a top 15 job creator to the bottom? And you're FOR Wealth Redistribution from the makers, the labor force, to the takers, Walker's campaign donors? Are you a reincarnated Redcoat by chance?

bluffsinview
bluffsinview

Yes, the Huffington Press leans to the left, but the facts and information in this article are credible. So much for major media being liberal: Read this to see how the oil and gas industry is funded and supported by the Koch brothers and how they manipulate the media.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/elliott-negin/unreliable-sources-how-th_b_3255192.html